you can say we're going to provide less energy to city hall or folks like that. that's firmer power. it would be cheaper to firm up. that's not what local power has said they're suggesting and it's not something i think i would support. but because we're talking about the least reliable power that we have, the cost of firming it is higher than it might otherwise be. and i think that makes sense. that passes the whiff test and sharper pencils are going to continue to work on this. i think we've made some real progress on it. the most unfortunate part of it is i think there is at least with the current numbers we're looking at, there is no way you can get down to parity with pg&e for light green without making major concessions on our power revenues and our power sales. and that will be -- that's not the subject of today's meeting, but it's -- i think that's the frustration you'll see in some correspondence and elsewhere. >> all right. commissioner vice president courtney. >> thank you, president torres. i have two questions about [speaker not understood]. the firs